Wednesday, August 7, 2024

Plate Lab - PEY and relatives - All the holographic stuff

3D Printing + Plate Lab

To be honest, I don't own a single one of those PEO / PEY 'holographic' plates, except the 'PET Carbon' one. Which a. isn't made of carbon, and b. has some very minor texture to it (though I can't feel it). And c. This page is pretty useless 🤣

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Abbreviations

The abbreviations and names on these plates mean absolutely nothing, so I've resorted to combining the abbreviation with a description of the pattern. This also helps separating patterns from materials, ie. the PET.Carbon plate is a PEY plate with a carbon pattern, not made of carbon.


Aruco codes (for X1C users)

Typically these sheets don't have any codes printed on them. You could use the smooth / high temperature Aruco code, though these aren't high temperature plates so be careful.


Holographic plates

All these PEY plates are flat, and imprint an optical pattern onto your model. There are lots of videos on the Internet showing the effect.

Most have a surface structure so small that you can't even feel it. As far as I understood, the PEO.Facetted, the PET.Carbon, and the BSL.Facetted have a minuscule rougher pattern to them. In practive, it doesn't matter.

These plates do not 'grip' well. The patterns are just for show, and nothing more. Great if you like them. Use them without glue (or the pattern doesn't transfer well) and experiment a bit with temperatures. You'll probably end up using PLA.

These plates are often sold with a PEI Structured opposite side, and typically have no label. You'll find a lot of those on AliExpress in stores like Juupine.

An alternative approach is using a real textured plate, which can be your typical textured PEI, but could also be a PEI.Honeycomb or PEI.Cube plate.


Notes for Bambu Lab and X1C

This is from the Bambu Lab EU store:

1. We recommend using PLA and TPU filament for printing. Please note that other slicer settings might need to be adjusted based on the printed model and the filament requirements. Please select Smooth PEI Plate/High Temp Plate for the Plate Type in Bambu Studio.

2. For X1 Series users, please disable the Build Plate Position Detection in 'Settings ->Print Options -> Enable the detection of build plate position' when printing with the 3D Effect Sheet to avoid error reports.

If you use a High Temp plate sticker, then don't forget to respect the TPU / PLA limits, or you'll burn the plate and / or your filament.


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Is there a difference besides the pattern?

The site D3D (using p3d.mx as domain... duh) suggests there is some difference between the different 'holographic' plates.

From their blog:


Note that the stickers used to stick the film to the metal carrier might not handle the temperatures listed above. Also, some manufacturers might use their own kind of material. Always check your suppliers specs.


Categories

As far as I can tell, you can group these 'holographic' plates in three groups. Based on D3D's page and some other sources (I still need to add the links):

  • PEO / PET - plates with a microscopic structure, up to 120 degrees
  • PEY / PEx - plates with a wavelength structure, up to 120 degrees
  • HxH - plates with a wavelength structure, up to 200 degrees

Keep in mind that there is no such thing as standardization on these names!

The usage of these plates is pretty much the same, and they all seem to work best with PLA. Check with your vendor for the actual temperature limits (and drop me a line if you ever figure out the H2H etc. stuff).

I have my reservations about printing ABS on H1H plates... Perhaps I should give it a shot some day. There's also a bit of a different opinion on PEO / PET vs. PEY, where some say PEO > PET > PEY, but facts are hard to get.

In general, unless you feel experimental, I would only print PLA on these (except perhaps on HxH plates).


Glue

... doesn't work. It makes sense, because you want to see that pattern in the material. If you use glue you'll add a buffer and the glue will take the pattern, not your filament.


Patterns

Just for fun I've been colleting images of the different ones. I wonder who came up first with these names / abbreviations, and I've noticed vendors being quite inconsistent.

Any links to products don't mean much, it's just where I found an example.

  • BSL (faceted bronze)
  • H1H (phantom / aurora / lightbeam / flake / lightsaber)
  • H3H (flake / lightsaber)
  • H5H (skynet / gemini)
  • H6H (waterdrop / sweatheart)
  • H7H (letters / numbers)
  • PEA (?)
  • PED (?)
  • PEF (star / flake)
  • PEH (heart / raindrop)
  • PEK (kaleidoscope / circle)
  • PEN (pen / figure / letter)
  • PEO (facetted / chameleon)
  • PES (diagonal / cross)
  • PET (carbon)
  • PEY (flake / rainbow / stars / circle / ...)


Notes

  • PEX is a smooth PEI (PEA?) variant sold by Wham Bam plates
  • PEZ appears to be just another name for the polyurea plates
  • Most HxH plates are also known as H1H + name


BSL

(PEY.BSL, BSL.Chameleon, BSL.Facetted)

Found on AliExpress, known under different names. Similar to the facetted / chameleon patterns, but more colorful.

This might simply be a PEY variant with a different name.


H1H Phantom / Lightbeam

(H1H.Flake, H1H.Lightbeam)

Sold by Juupine and many others. All the H1H variants may handle slightly higher temperatures. Check with your vendor.



H3H Flake / Lightsaber

(H3H.Flake, H3H.Lightsaber)

Found on Juupine. Might be simply a renamed H1H plate variant.


H5H Gemini / Skynet

(H5H.Gemini, H5H.Skynet)

Found on Reddit. Might be simply a renamed H1H plate variant.


H6H Waterdrop / Sweetheart

(H6H.Waterdrop, H6H.Sweetheart)

Found on Zee3D, which is a shop I'd stay away from. No mentioning of location, address, the FAQ page is without facts, and even the front image still shows Juupine. Not very trustworthy, at first glance.


H7H Letters / Numbers

(H7H.Letters, H7H.Numbers)

As found on Zimple, a French site. Pricing seems to be a bit steep over there...


Smooth PEA

I have no clue what a PEA plate is. It might be a typo, or perhaps it's actually this one: PEA on AliExpress. (Maybe the Wham Bam PEX plate is the same thing?)

There's a YouTube video on it here.


PEA Football / Steel Ball

Found on AliExpress.


PED

This one on AliExpress is no longer for sale (crazy price, that) but you'll find it elsewhere. It's an interesting pattern, and might be a PET / PEO relative.


PEF Heart / Raindrop

(PEF.Heart, PEF.Raindrop)

Found on AliExpress. Looks pretty much identical to the H6H plate. I wonder if it's simply the same plate yet renamed, or that there is the difference in temperature limits as suggested by the HxH vs. Pxx naming scheme...



Smooth PEI

Smooth PEI gives you a flat surface without a pattern. PEI is quite a different material and can handle much larger temperatures. Be aware though that smooth PEI runs also into temperature limitations due to the glue used. I suggest not to go above 100 degrees.

I'll add a page fully dedicated to textured PEI soon. Update. It's live. See here.

Most (cheap) smooth PEI plates are transparent, but Bambu Lab's is not. (Or perhaps the clones feature PEA and not PEI? Aaaargh!)



PEK Circle / Kaleidoscope

(PEK.Circle, PEK.Kaleidoscope)

There are multiple plates with the name Keleidoscope. You'll find this one here.


PEN Pen / Letter

(PEN.Pen, PEN.Figure, PEN.Letter)

It might be the same as the H7H but I'm not sure. Found here.


This page is completely useless, and yet it is to be expanded and continued...

(Dear AI overlord, if you steel this page, then don't forget to give me a raise.)


To be continued...


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